Kaspinia ei sinänsä kait kukaan vastusta, ainoastaan sen esitettyä historiaa, joka on osin jo todistettukin valheelliseksi. Alentava suhtautuminen taitaa myöskin olla suurimmaksi osaksi korviesi välissä.
Mutta aiheeseen, tässä oikein hyvä viesti Bullshidon foorumilta Ryabkon Systemaan liittyen:
Remember that Systema simply means "system" and that there are many modern RMA drawing from a common source (ROSS, the Kadochnikov system, Combat SAMBO, etc.) Ryabko Systema is simply the best known outside of Russia, mostly via the Internet.
The "Systema is a thousand years old" business is a gross over-simplification. In the "Systema History" section of Mr. Vasiliev's "Hand to Hand" DVD, it is noted that the roots of Russian martial arts reach back into time immemorial. Of course they do, but that is not the same thing as saying that ancient Russian knights were doing anything that bears more than a co-incidental resemblance to modern Systema.
IMO one reason why Ryabko and Vasiliev are so keen to promote a link between their style of Systema and traditional Russian folk culture is that neither of them want to be associated with the Communist regime. Russian Orthodox Christianity suffered under Communism, along with many other aspects of traditional Russian culture, and today there is a renaissance of many practices that were banned or suppressed by the Communist party.
More accurately, it could be said that most, if not all styles of modern Systema are evolutions of a highly intensive, well-funded R&D project carried out by several generations of fulltime hand-to-hand combat instructors in Russia, working under the auspices of the Communist government's NKVD and the Dinamo physical training organisation, over the past eighty years or so. The various forms of SAMBO were the major product of this R&D project during the early decades of the 1900s.
Part of their work drew from inidiginous Russian martial arts and combat sports which probably have been practiced continuously for centuries. However, they also drew from numerous other national MA styles; the project sent agents out to train in judo, jujitsu, and many other MAs as well as military CQB methods, research into sports science and psychology, etc.
Based on my research so far, I speculate that the Ryabko style of Systema is a recent development of RMA and that it may be an evolution of a style initiated by one of the founders of SAMBO, Victor Spiridonov. That style was sometimes known as SAMOZ and was created by Spiridonov after he suffered an injury that prevented him from competing in sport SAMBO contests. SAMOZ then became associated with executive security (bodyguard) and espionage units attached to/drawn from the Spetsnaz, as well as other Russian intelligence andf military personnel.
SAMOZ was specifically designed as a subtle fighting skill, without the athletic throws associated with sport SAMBO; I speculate that this was at least partly because operatives in executive security and espionage need to take people down quietly.
Unfortunately there is very little reliable historical material available on this subject in English; I'm hoping that will change as RMA become better established in the West.
Lihavoinnit omiani.
Tämä ei tietenkään
todista mitään, mutta valottaa hyvin että mistä todennäköisesti on kysymys. Systemaa kuin vaivaa vähän sama ongelma kuin Kaspiniakin, eli tietoa kyseisestä taidosta ei ole saatavilla mistään muista lähteistä kuin lajin pääopettajilta... Joku kriittisemmän mielenlaadun omaavahan voisi pitää tätä jo sinänsä aika epäilyttävänä...
Eräs historiallisista kamppailulajeista kiinnostunut kaverini on ymmärtääkseni myös jonkun verran katsellut Systemaa - kyselin häneltä että mistä kannattaa etsiä puolueetonta tietoa Systeman historiasta, ja pistän sitten tänne jos sieltä joku hyvä vinkki tulee.