Sardaukar kirjoitti: Keskustelussa kun pitää aina olla kaksi osapuolta.

DeusVult kirjoitti: - Milloin oli 'pre tartan period' ?

Until the middle of the nineteenth century, the highland tartans were associated with regions or districts, rather than by any specific clan. This was due to the fact that tartan designs were produced by local weavers for local tastes and would tend to make use of the natural dyes available in that area. The patterns were simply different regional checked-cloth patterns, whereof one chose the tartans most to one's liking - in the same way as people nowadays choose what colours and patterns they prefer in their clothing. Thus, it was not until the mid-nineteenth century that specific tartans became associated with Scottish clans or Scottish families, or simply institutions who are (or wish to be seen as) associated in some way with a Scottish heritage

Sardaukar kirjoitti: Eli, Jim välttelee sitä tosiasiaa, ettö Office of Chief Herald veti pois oikeuden tunnustaa Irlantilaisia ko. titteleitä Terence McCarthyltä (eli ns. McCarthy Mor-skandaali).

However, during the period he was the MacCarthy Mor and prior to his abdication and self-imposed exile in Morrocco he received confirmation from the Chief Herald's office that he was able to grant the hereditary gaelic lordships listed under his charge.